Glutton/Weapon X-26
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The 26th cloning attempt of Wolverine and the first completely successful, exact doppleganger.
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Post by Glutton/Weapon X-26 on Mar 31, 2009 21:35:10 GMT -5
X-23 came first. Daken has been on the scene a while, now. When will Marvel have these two Wolverine offshoots meet face to face? What will happen? I'm kind of worried about what will come of X-23. She wasn't on the cover of that free "Wolverine: Saga" comic last week. Makes me think something bad might happen to her soon, like, in the Cable/X-Force Messiah War crossover. ***ADDENDUM 07-21-09***Looks like we'll finally get to see this epic meeting in Dark Avengers #8: UTOPIA; Chapter 5 - marvel.com/catalog/?id=12560 ***ADDENDUM 08-26-09***DENIED !!! FALSE ADVERTISING !!! |
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Post by Mark Caringer on Mar 31, 2009 22:12:11 GMT -5
that would be a fun fight, i think she could take him, wolverine is taking him these days, where past fights he got beat. i dont know what the differents is, cept wolvine has learned his tactics. I think X-23 wouldnt hold back like wolverine does.
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Post by Megalictis on Apr 1, 2009 16:11:09 GMT -5
I don't know how aware Daken and Laura are of each other yet. I find it interesting that Cyclops doesn't use X-Force when he confronted Daken (perhaps concerned about divided loyalties, espeecially on her part). And when they do find out about each other how would they feel about it and what would they do?
While Daken has no reason to hate X-23, and nothing to gain by fighting her, that doesn't bode well for her. His only motivations so far seem to have been revenge on Logan, later replaced by animosity towards his father and a desire for revenge against Romulus, but also a desire for Romulus' power. He seems to be a sociopath, so rather than see her as "family" he might at best consider "Aunt Laura" an ally, or more likely a useful pawn to be manipulated (all the better if by doing so he hurts his father).
X-23's motivations aren't that well spelled-out either, leaving me with the impression that she's still trying to figure out what she wants. She expresses her deepest inner pain and emotional conflict through cutting herself, seen most recently when she tried to understand how Rhane's relative innocence made her somehow more worthy in Logan's eyes than either himself or her. She seems to want to feel connected to others and tries to please others the only way she knows how - protecting those she forms connections to and being the obedient soldier. This protectiveness/obedience strategy to win acceptance and approval seems to apply especially to Wolverine, but would Laura transfer this relationship to Daken if he manipulated her emotions? Or would she assess Daken as an intollerable threat to her friends, and possibly even a rival for Logan's loyalty, and just try to kill him?
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Post by deepredtiger on Jun 5, 2009 14:30:42 GMT -5
lovein the later idea, I think that fits her more, Marvel should do it. Then in the end Daken can either relies he has family and accept it or he can be the black mark in Logan's gene pool for ever, his choice should make sense tho, not just be some unseen BS reason like he has now. Unless he truly is a psychopath, then there is no hope anyway for Logan to ever have his son in his life in anything but a battle. That sucks really.
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Post by Megalictis on Jun 5, 2009 19:27:50 GMT -5
I still think (maybe it's "hope") Way plans for Daken to die by the end of Origins (over the next two years). If he's a hit Marvel will probably keep him around (or bring him back to life). Meantime he's getting thrown out there big-time, taking over Wolverine's identity (and flagship title  ) for Dark Reign. But I'm curious about how Way and Liu are collaborating on the writing. Marjorie Liu might be interested in using X-23, having done NYX. Laura's bound to find out sooner or later that Daken is posing as Wolverine in Osborne's Avengers. I don't think Logan told her about Daken. It'd be like her to immediately clasify anyone posing as Wolverine as an enemy and go off and deal with it like it's something personal. I think it leaves a lot of room to explore both characters and add some depth. Plus that fight on the cover would sell lots of comic books. Make it a whole arc and throw Wolverine into the last issue or two. Especially with a top-notch artist it'd make Marvel money.  |
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Post by deepredtiger on Jun 5, 2009 23:10:07 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of these knock offs they piss me off more than anything else But they have made an effort to have these tow a little different than Logan... Personally now that he is here, I really think killing Logan's son is terrible, I am sick of every thing that he loves or ever will love dyeing. It's not only getting OLD it is a sign of writers with No imagination at all. killing him is so easy to write, making him into something great would be a lot more work.
it took a long time to develop wolverine into the guy we all like now, at first people didn't like him at all. he was almost scrapped.
I think they have a good start with both X23 and Daken, I think a great idea would be to let them develop, go threw the crap, then one day join forces with Logan... together as a team, that is what I am hoping for. Wow, what a concept, Logan gets family on his side and they care about him.
As it stands now I like the idea of Daken posing as Wolverine, give logan a bit of elbow room. I just hope they DON'T take another cheap shot and make X23 like Daken in the long run, I only like her now because she cares for Logan. LOL I'm a geek Fan! But I too wonder what they will think of each other if they meet.
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Glutton/Weapon X-26
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The 26th cloning attempt of Wolverine and the first completely successful, exact doppleganger.
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Post by Glutton/Weapon X-26 on Jul 21, 2009 17:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by Megalictis on Jul 21, 2009 20:55:45 GMT -5
So we only have to wait 'til 19 August.
I wonder where this falls in continuity relative to Wolverine: Origins - Does Daken have the Muramasa claws? And if so, does Laura know?
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Post by Mark Caringer on Jul 22, 2009 19:31:38 GMT -5
Who collects Dark Avengers? Whoever it is please send me some scans of the fight, id love to do a review of the fight
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Post by deepredtiger on Jul 23, 2009 11:49:58 GMT -5
MMMMMMmmmMMmmm NOW this may be worth buying! heehee Like the image, tho I may have seen it here before, lol Still, looks pretty dang cool.
My only concern is that X 23 may get fatally hurt by Daken, he is older than her, has more life experience and has that extra skill she doesn't. If she whoops his butt it better be real or I'm gonna hurl. She is just not believable to be as an ass kicking machine, with only a few years behind her and no antimatiam bones, just makes no sense to me that she could kill Daken or even be stronger than him. BUT she COULD out smart him! THAT would work well!
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Post by Megalictis on Jul 27, 2009 17:23:05 GMT -5
I don't "collect" 'em, but I'm buying them for the X-Men crossover. Assuming the cover is more than a teaser I'll send you the scans. You apparenty ain't the only one who thinks Laura needs an upgrade before she fights Daken. This is the promo from the back of X-Force #17.  Now I'm really curious as to where these stories fall in continuity: Does Daken have the Muramasa claws (which can kill Laura)? Will Laura now have adamantium bones? For that matter are they even aware of eachother's existence and if so what are their opinions of each other? I'm actually more interested in that than how they would match up in a fight (Daken has the advantage) Would they want to fight? Is Laura more valuable to Daken alive? |
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Post by deepredtiger on Jul 28, 2009 16:36:59 GMT -5
Oh brothers I HATE the idea of her having the same as wolverine now that is TOO knock off for my taste. don't like the idea one bit. Means there is even less about her that is her own. She doesn't need antimatiume bones at all. The ratings giver her the same fighing skills and strenth as logan anyway so WTF does she need to be just like him for?
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Glutton/Weapon X-26
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The 26th cloning attempt of Wolverine and the first completely successful, exact doppleganger.
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Post by Glutton/Weapon X-26 on Aug 27, 2009 0:08:04 GMT -5
Dark Avengers #8 came out today, and...
DENIED !!!
FALSE ADVERTISING !!!
I'm sick of misleading covers. Last week X-MEN: LEGACY # 227 had Rogue fighting Ares on the cover, and it never happened inside the issue. Instead, she fought Moonstone/Ms. Marvel.
Well, I guess the wait continues for the time when Daken and X-23 are to cross paths.
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Post by Megalictis on Aug 27, 2009 7:37:21 GMT -5
Yeah, it must be "False Advertising Month" at Marvel. Growing up it always seemed to me that DC was famous for cover enticements that appear nowhere in the story, but Marvel isn't blameless.
The fight on the cover of Dark Avengers #8 between Daken and X-23 never happens. As X-Force attacks Alcatraz, Laura and Warren stab Weapon Omega while Logan and James Proudstar stab Dark Beast. A moment later Daken and Logan engage in a brief trash-talk exchange which ends with Emma Frost going diamond and knocking out Daken. Emma, Namor, Cloak and Dagger leave Osborne's Dark X-Men after they rescue the real Hank McCoy.
Meanwhile on the cover of New Avengers #56 we have Daken fighting Wolverine as part of a battle between the New Avengers and the Dark Avengers. The fight between Logan and Daken doesn't happen. The fight between the two Avengers teams doesn't happen. Instead both groups get their powers stolen by former members of The Hood's gang. And other than the cover Logan isn't even in this issue!
Finally we come to X-Force #18, where X-23 appears to be undergoing adamantium bonding on the cover. That doesn't happen either. What does happen is that HAMMER captures Laura and delivers her back into the hands of the Facility. And Kimura does seem to be cutting her arms off with a chainsaw (which just goes to show that Emma Frost's psychic correction of Kimura didn't last).
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Post by deepredtiger on Aug 29, 2009 13:14:08 GMT -5
well good I'm glad it doesn't happen, even tho that painting is cool, Chainsaw,,, Sheeezzz can she regrow her arms and stuff??? that I hop doesn't happen that rots.
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) for Dark Reign. But I'm curious about how Way and Liu are collaborating on the writing. Marjorie Liu might be interested in using X-23, having done NYX. 