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Post by Rose on Sept 13, 2009 17:37:56 GMT -5
So...my life has been crazy for a while...a death in the family and the new school year starting, well it doesn't give a person a chance to really read-up on what's new. Does anyone care to catch me up on what's been going on in Logan's life?
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Post by deepredtiger on Sept 14, 2009 10:22:14 GMT -5
lots of crap I can't even read it all myself, I just caught up on Romulus and who he is and what he has done and is doing. He seems to be the main information that ties al lot of Logan's crazy suffings together so that they seems to make better sense as part of his life ans such.
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Post by Megalictis on Sept 15, 2009 18:14:58 GMT -5
The biggest events in Wolverine's "present" (putting them in exact order is still iffy) are in Wolverine: Origins and Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men Exodus. In Origins Logan has just stabbed Omega Red through the heart with the Muramasa Blade (apparently killing him) and has just come face-to-face with Romulus. In Exodus Cyclops has responded to Norman Osborne's attempt to put San Fransisco under martial law and a government initiative to have all mutants chemically sterilized - he had Beast's 'X-Club' raise Asteroid M from the pacific and declared it a mutant sanctuary. Osborne retaliated with his 'Dark Avengers'. Daken fianlly fought X-23 and Wolverine gave Weapon Omega some pay-back for killing Alpha Flight. At the end of the fight all the mutants on the "island" are called "X-Men."
In Wolverine: Weapon X he's wrapping-up his first mission with a now-depowered Maverick as his back-up - tracking down the guy who thought it would be cool to whip-up a dozen Wolverine-wanna-be's.
Wolverine and the team are just back from the future in X-Force. Cyclops yanked them out of the middle of a fight to help Cable save Hope (the "Mutant Messiah" kid) from Stryfe and Bishop. Wolverine took out Bishop's eye in that one. Then they had to save the UN from being blown-up by Hellion and Surge (who had been abducted and infected with Legacy by the Leper Queen), and Rescue BoomBoom from H.A.M.M.E.R. But in the process X-23 was captured by "The Facility" that created her (how is that Xander Rice guy still alive?) and Kimura is pruning her with a chainsaw.
Wolverine is out of New Avergers for the moment on a leave of absence (to make room for some of the other stuff finally). And Daken has taken over Wolverine for the time being.
Finally, the Wolverine event of the year (and one of the best of all time) Old Man Logan is supposed to conclude with a "Giant-Size" special at the end of this month.
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Post by deepredtiger on Sept 15, 2009 22:41:33 GMT -5
so who won? X23 or Daken? Daken, hah.
And what is this about 23 gertting her arms chopped off!? WTF is she going to do with no arms, will they grow back?? I know that means she will not have animatiam on her hand claws any more, she they will probly give her it again all over like Logan. so that would not happen again. IF her arms grow back at all. don't like that at all! it sucks
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Post by Megalictis on Sept 16, 2009 18:22:44 GMT -5
It was inconclusive. They both survived. Daken didn't use the Muramasa claws. And X-23 got help from Pixie and Armor.
If it had been a one-on-one to the end - and Daken used the Muramasa claws - and his manipulation powers - I think he'd have won.
(I'll post the fight in the other thread.)
And X-23's arms will "heal back on" if someone holds them in place for her. She's done it before with her hand. As for regenerating a whole lost limb - Sabretooth grew back a whole hand when he was young, and Logan's eye grew back a couple times. Given time Laura might grow back a whole arm. The whole saw treatment might be Kimura's sadistic way of making X-23 want to have her skeleton bonded with adamantium.
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Post by deepredtiger on Sept 16, 2009 21:08:59 GMT -5
Yep that's what I figured But she is still too young right? or is she full grown now. Personally I don't like the idea of her being so much like Logan it is anoying to me and takes away from her being unique
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Post by deepredtiger on Sept 16, 2009 23:30:22 GMT -5
Hey Bro the healing things back on, isn't that a Lupa saipian thing? So that would mean she is one which would mean so is Logan, right? If so are they calling these Lupa and differnt breed of Human?
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Post by Megalictis on Sept 17, 2009 8:22:05 GMT -5
I don't think she's 18 yet and it's not clear whether she's "full-grown." Bonding her bones to adamantium would seal the growth plates on the ends of the long bones so she'd never get any taller. That was an issue when she was seven and they bonded her claws since she obviously hadn'y reached her full size. But now it might not matter too much. Wolverine never got taller than 5'-3" so how tall is a female version supposed to get. Some sources already list her as being 5'-6"!!!
Yeah, that's the annoying thing about clones. In fact as clones go she is a few more degrees off the original than most. She's female, she's a century younger than Logan, and her claws are different, but mostly her institutional childhood and robotic lack of a personality set her apart from Logan. In fact, if Laura had gone back in time at age 10, and met James Howlett at the same age, they'd be strikingly different.
The whole "Lupus Sapien" theory is just a theory. It was mentioned once and never conclusively proven. And it may be possible for all feral mutants to be related through a common ancestor (Romulus?) without them all having descended from dogs. So part of the theory could be true, without all of it being true. One thing you can count on - whatever Logan is - Laura is too. She is genetically closer to him than if she were his own daughter - closer than fraternal twins but not as close as identical twins.
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Post by deepredtiger on Sept 17, 2009 9:07:04 GMT -5
OK That's cool thanks  Make perfect sence. thanks Bro ThLogan was alread a man when he was bonded, he is just a short fella, it isn't the same as if he was bonded too early like her. I think too it was because she would have went threw too much pain tring to grew too is why they waited? |
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Post by Megalictis on Sept 17, 2009 11:06:16 GMT -5
Laura's pain was never an issue. XAnder and Kimura are a couple sadists. The Facility simply wanted her to acheive her full size before bonding her skeleton to avoid crippling her and making her useless. If her skeleton had stopped growing in childhood but her organs and other tissue continued to grow it'd have been a mess.
At age seven they subjected her to radiation poisoning to jump start her mutation. The process would have been fatal if it failed - a considerable risk for their impatience given the trouble of creating her in the first place. Xander Rice then surgically removed her claws, bonded them to adamantium and re-installed them - all without anesthetic. To follow their logic, this would have meant they were willing to sacrifice full claw growth for unbreakability.
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Post by deepredtiger on Sept 17, 2009 12:32:35 GMT -5
yeah so why are her claws as long as her for arms like Logans when they should be shorter because they stopped growing when bonded when she was a child?
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Post by Megalictis on Sept 17, 2009 14:14:37 GMT -5
When drawn correctly X-23's claws should be shorter than Logan's no matter how much she's grown because they were stunted by the adamantium bonding process when she was seven.
But this also raises another question - how long would her claws would grow back if they were ripped-out? I suppose if you take that into consideration it would make sense for The Facility to remove her old claws and let new (hopefully longer) claws grow in their place before they bond her whole skeleton.
... if that's even what they're planning.
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Post by deepredtiger on Sept 17, 2009 17:20:12 GMT -5
If they even get to keep her, isn't Logan going after her, Doesn't he know she's there?
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Post by Megalictis on Sept 18, 2009 10:53:09 GMT -5
Logan knows she's missing, but not where she is or who has her. Apparently that was even a surprise to the H.A.M.M.E.R. agents who took her into custody.
I wish Wolverine would go after her. The Facility is a worse offender than Black Guard when it comes to re-starting Weapon X and he's taking that pretty seriously over in Wolverine: Weapon X. It'd be nice to have a little cross-title consistency in Wolverine's priorities. I'd also like to see Wolverine take a shot at Kimura - what mnakes her a good opponent for X-23 makes her a good opponent for him as well - and the similarity between the names Kimura and Kimora (interdimensional conqueror from Wolverine: Path of the Warlord) is tempting to explore.
Plus Xander Rice should be dead. X-23 killed him before she escaped The Facility. Him showing up alive (and in X-Force) points to Bastion and techno-organic re-animation. That makes Rice and The Facility part of their mission.
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Post by deepredtiger on Sept 18, 2009 17:14:29 GMT -5
Yah it goes back to Wolverine's family being involved in the weapon X project and Romulus the inventer, something along those lines.
It makes me kind of MAD if Logan does try to help x23, why would he not try to go after them, you think maybe deep down inside he is thoinking of her as his stolen genes, something he never would have done? Because that is NOT part of who he is, I would imagine now that she is here he'd look at her as his, so why is he not going after her, that bugs me
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Make perfect sence.