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Post by evolution on Aug 10, 2007 10:25:36 GMT -5
While scaning for information on Wolverine, I came across this question, and I might know the answer since I'am a big time Wolverine fan.
Question:
Why is Wolverine called Logan if his name is James Holwett.
Answer:
After James father was shot by Thomas Logan, James unsheathed his claws killing Thomas, and in an act of hate, his mother Elizabeth ran him out of the house and Rose, went looking for him. His mother than shot herself. After talking to the grandfather, whom his hands resembled claws: Both Rose and James went out of Alberta into a small little community where Rose gave James's name as "Logan." That's where he first got the name Logan from.
What is your opinon.
And do you agree with this statement.
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Post by wildcat on Aug 12, 2007 13:01:10 GMT -5
I agree. That is straight from Wolverine Origins and I think that have been said a long time ago?? Am I right? Well the thing what interests me is that why they gave an ordinary name "James" to an extraordinary man? I don't have a problem with that, and in a way the name fits. But have you been wondering that Thomas Logan looked really much like wolverine .. I mean how James can look like Thomas? Are they relatives??  Thomas Logan (Looks like Wolvie?)  And habits are so similar. Smokes cigarette and drinks heavily  |
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Post by evolution on Aug 12, 2007 20:33:30 GMT -5
The reason why is...
This is what I say happend.
In secret both Elizabeth and Thomas Logan hand an affair and they had three sons, John Howlett III, Dog Logan, and James Holwett. In order to keep this a secret, Thomas Logan sought best to keep the one as his son (Dog Logan), and left Elizabeth have the other two; John Howlett III, and James Howlett, and I believe that's why James Howlett, resembles Thomas Logan.
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Post by wildcat on Aug 13, 2007 4:53:59 GMT -5
okay, that sounds reasonable, but where did James Howlett get same kind of mutant abiliteis than his grandfather? Was he relative with him from mothers side or what? 'cause he then couldn't be James' dads dad, he had to be James' mothers dad? Am I right??
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Post by Megalictis on Aug 13, 2007 10:00:37 GMT -5
First off, Grandpa Howlett didn't have claws. I know that one panel is a little confusing, but it shows Rose and James at the door of the mansion with the grandfather examining his grandson's hands (and the claws which still hadn't retracted). Look carefully: it's James with the claws, not the old man. Additionally there is no genetic lnk between "Old Man Howlett" and James (son of Elizabeth by Thomas Logan, not James Howlett) so James couldn't inherit any genetic traits from his "grandfather."
Second, there's no way "Dog" Logan is Elizabeth's son. Thomas and Elizabeth had an affair after she was married to "Soft John" Howlett, resulting in the birth of John, Jr. in 1885. Apparently everyone believed he was John's son. It's not clear if the affair continued throughout John, Jr.'s childhood, or if Elizabeth was faithful to her husband for a time but eventually went back to Thomas. In any case John, Jr. died in 1897 and nobody wants to talk about it. At that time Elizabeth spent time in a sanitarium.
What is clear from Origin that "Dog" is only a little older than James - a year or two at most. For "Dog" to have been Elizabeth's son she would have either had to hide the pregnancy for nine months, or fake a still birth. Both would require a midwife as an accomplice who would have delivered the baby and then somehow secretly removed the child from the house without anyone noticing. Also the theory assumes Thomas Logan would have accepted the responsibility for raising the infant willingly, but by all indication he wasn't interested in being a parent and never even bothered to name the boy.
It's much more likely that "Dog" is Thomas' son by another woman who died in childbirth, or soon after. This also accouts for "Dog's" adult size - much larger than Thomas and Elizabeth.
There are strong hints in Origin that John, Jr. had claws - scars on Elizabeth, and the fact that she said "Not you too James!" when he first popped his claws.
Wolverine: The End (which isn't "canon") adds more details. John Jr. discovered his mother and Thomas Logan were having an affair and confronts her. At this point James is an infant (placing his birth in 1897). John Jr. attacked Elizabeth, scarring her with his newly-manifested claws, and possibly causing a nervous breakdown. John Jr. is shipped off to an asylum while Elizabeth is in a hospital. When she returns she's told her elder son died.
After the fight that leaves John Howlett and Thomas Logan dead and "Dog " scarred across his face, Elizabeth commits suicide, perhaps consumed with guilt for having caused the death of her husband and lover, and bringing two bastard monsters into the world (she may have considered it her "punnishment" for her adultery).
James, driven to the brink by all that's happenned flees the house and starts to go into shock. Rose (having nowhere else to turn) follows James and takes him to the shelter of the barn. Once James is recovered enough to walk Rose finally musters the courage to bring him to the house. Old Man Howlett (James' grandfather) recognizes the claws as part of the "curse" that bedevilled his first grandchild and gives Rose train fare to leave Alberta. His concern is to once again hush-up the scandal. "Dog" meanwhile blames Rose for the death of John and Elizabeth, so she's a fugitive. They eventually reach a quarry in British Columbia where they grow to adulthood under the assumed name Logan.
Since both of Elizabeth's childern had the same mutation (claws at least), but "Dog" doesn't, it's tempting to speculate that Elizabeth may be the one carrying the X-factor gene rather than Thomas. But since she never manifested any indication of mutation it can't be proven.
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Post by evolution on Sept 3, 2007 22:15:11 GMT -5
Correct.
If you look close enough Sr. John Howlett, does not have claws.
It's the grandfather who's holding his son's grandson's hands.
The mother must have the X-factor, if her two sons are indeed mutants.
John Howlett was a tall man
Thomas Logan was a sort man,
I'am thinking that's where James Howlett/Logan was only 5'3"
and not tall like his brother (presumed deceased).
However, Thomas Logan his son (Dog Logan) was tall 6'6"
so he must have gotten the traits from John Howlett (James's father).
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Post by wildcat on Sept 4, 2007 11:47:36 GMT -5
Now I'm getting the picture that they swapped those two (Dog and James) when they were just babys ;D
They have same mother?
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Post by Megalictis on Sept 4, 2007 13:45:23 GMT -5
"Dog" Logan is no relation to John Howlett, Sr. They're both tall, but they're not related. "Dog" is a tall son with a short father (Thomas) so he probably inherited his height from his mother. We don't know anything about "Dog's" mother except that she isn't around by the time Origin begins, and she isn't Elizabeth Howlett (who is also small). "Dog's" mother nay have died in childbirth or run off and left Thomas with a nameless son.
As far as we know "Soft John" Howlett never fathered any children. He may have been the father of John, Jr - who appeared to resemble his father more in Wolverine: The End - but I think the story implied that both of Elizabeth's sons were fathered by Thomas Logan.
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Post by CongoJack on Sept 4, 2007 16:30:44 GMT -5
Megalictis has got it spot on.
I know it isn't in continuity, but I thought Paul Jenkins in many ways undid(undone?) some of the better points of Origin with the answers that were provided in The End. This is a prime example of what sometimes happens with superhero comics where the writer/publisher reveals something explicitly that really would have been better left 'unanswered' and just implied.
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