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Post by Mark Caringer on Jan 31, 2010 12:45:34 GMT -5
ok, I want to make a list of all the ladies in the 616 Marvel Universe Wolverine has had a relationship with. Please list charater name, degree of relationship and issue it appeared in.
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 3, 2010 17:45:30 GMT -5
I couldn't resist this...
It's quite an ambitious undertaking if I understand the intent correctly. Are you trying to compile the definitive annotated source for all the significant women in Wolverine's (canon) life? This certainly would be the right place for it!
So let me get these parameters clear: 1) Relationship must be "616 continuity" - no "Age of Apocalypes" or "Old Man Logan" and no crossovers like Wolverine/Shi. 2) Limited to female characters only. 3) Cite specific titles and issue #s for significant events. 4) "Degree of Relationship" - how do we classify this? Do you want a brief description? 5) Wolverine must have "had a relationship with" this character. Again what do you mean here? Are you asking for a list of women Logan is specifically known to have had sex with (whether he had any more of a relationship with them than that or not), or are you asking for a broader list of all Logan's most significant relationships with female characters? Those are two very different lists!
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 3, 2010 19:09:29 GMT -5
Good grief Logan has been with just about every female in Marvel ain one universe or another, he has even been with females out of Marvel, and into other companies comics.... gonna be QUITE a list may as well add fan fic too LORD never ending list! LOL
RRR What do you mean Female only??? I only know of one possible male, and that was a shapshifter type.
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Post by Mark Caringer on Feb 3, 2010 21:32:57 GMT -5
I think what i mean is i want Wolverines relationships that are romantic or sexual, wither from his point of view or from the other persons point of view. for example jubs and kitty both have or had feeling in some way, but wolverien has either not acted or doesnt have the same feeling, i think they should make the list. I want a person to be able to check the list and know how far the relationship went. i did a little looking around and i found this, which im pretty sure is not correct www.bamkapow.com/13-hottest-women-wolverine-has-slept-with-1474-p.html
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 4, 2010 3:16:26 GMT -5
NOPE yoy're right, NOT correct SOME are but almost half are WRONG
I can add a few to the list But I have to wait till i get more time to get the names, I see them all but don't remeber their names, he has slept with more humans than mutants I know that much, Tho Logan hasn't been super picky about it, seem to give in easy too unless he really doesn't like the girl for what ever reason. like Viper for example! LOL
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 4, 2010 8:53:33 GMT -5
With respect to the "13 Hottest Women Wolverine Has Slept With" list: I'd say less than half accurate (and some fan-boy has an over-active imagination).
13. Domino - Yes (confirmed in dialogue) 12. Silver Fox - Yes (presumed due to common law marriage) 11. Mystique - Yes (probable in the beginning and at least once while with the X-Men). 10. Black Widow - No! (She still calls him "Little Uncle") 9. Atsuko - Yes (then she died) 8. She-Hulk - Not that I recall (Juggernaut yes, Logan no) 7. Tyger Tiger - Yes (implied) 6. Dazzler - No evidence 5. Mariko Yashida - Probably 4. Viper - No evidence I recall in recent times (but maybe when they first met?) 3. Rogue - No! (Look but don't touch) 2. Jean Grey - Not in 616 1. Elektra - No evidence to support
Hey - if you can find a comic book where it's implied it's at least worth noting! "Possible" male? Masque of the Morlocks?
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 9, 2010 19:30:34 GMT -5
Gotta' start somewhere...
I'm gonna' propose the following format unless anybody wants to add something you think's important.
Name: (obvious) Relationship: (not sure really, I'm just giving brief descriptions for now) Time Period: (the part of Logan's life when she knew him) Significant events: (title and issue where it happens) Romulus connection: (I added this because Romulus manipulated Logan from early on through the women in his life, starting with his mother) Maybe later on we could use the references to come up with scans of all Wolverine's Women. We might go as far as scans of all the most significant moments, though that could get huge with some characters like Jean Grey.
Okay, here's a start. These are mostly "one-arc-stand" characters - just 'cuz it's easier to track down all the significant references when they only show up a few times. Feel free to edit, add, and correct mistakes.
In no particular order...
Name: Un-named migrant worker from Sonora, Mexico. Relationship: Logan lost his virginity with her in an orange grove in California. Time Period: Early 20th century, before WWI, shortly after Logan "came out of the woods" (after Rose dies). Significant events: Wolverine: Weapon X #10 Romulus connection: None.
Name: Melita Garner Relationship: Wolverine's current girlfriend. Time Period: Present Significant events: Introduced - Wolverine: Weapon X #1; 1st had sex with Logan Wolverine: Weapon X #9, acknowledged as Wolverien's "girlfriend" Wolverine: Weapon X #10. Romulus connection: None.
Name: Gahck Relationship: Chief of the Tribe of Fire who had a sexual relationship with Wolverine during a few weeks' stay in the Savage Land. Seen on the last panel holding a baby at an unspecified time after Logan has left the Savage Land. Note: The name, gender and paternity of this infant were never revealed in any comic book story. Eric J. Moreels inferred - without proof - that the baby is a boy, is Wolverine's son, and is named "Erista." I'll believe it when you show me the title and issue of any comic book story where "he" is called by that name. And I want a paternity test. Time Period: X-men (Australia period) Significant events: Wolverine: The Jungle Adventure. Romulus connection: None.
Name: "The Native" Relationship: A female mutant who's mutation was identical to Logan's. Held as a test subject by Weapon X until her escape. May have lived in a cabiin in the woods with Logan after his own escape. Conceived a child by Logan in present times. Embryo and infertilized ova extracted by Dr.Vapor. Killed by Sabertooth. Time Period: Weapon X & X-Men Significant events: Romulus connection: Probable but unproven.
Name: Atsuko (full name unrevealed) Relationship: Logan saved her life and she gave him shelter. First known Japanese woman Logan ever fell in love with. Killed by Lt. Ethan Warren (a man who couldn't die) just before the bomb fell. Time Period: August, 1945, Hiroshima, Japan. Significant events: Logan saves her, Atsuko gives him shelter, they make love - Logan #1. Atsuko killed by Lt. Warren - Logan #2. Logan avenges her soul and talks to her ghost - Logan #3 Romulus connection: None.
Name: Charlamagne, a.k.a. "Charlie" (real name unknown) Relationship: A colleague (and probable lover) of Logan's from his freelance spy days, and at one time his best friend. After being betrayed by the KGB in East Berlin and subsequently rescued by Logan she went into hiding. Years later she resurfaced in New York killing Russian spies. This led to both Wolverine and Spidey tracking her back to Berlin, where Logan first realized that Parker had Spidey's scent. Wolverine tracked her down first and they spent a romantic evening at her place she reveals she's now being hunted by every intelligence organization on earth. Spider-Man caught up to them just in time to spring an ambush by her enemies and she escaped again to continue killing spies. Logan had intended to get her to stop and hide her away, but Charlie summoned him to Treptow cemetery where she told him she was finished running, and her enemies would find her there and kill her slowly, if Logan didn't mercy-kill her. Logan stabbed her - not fatally - as Spider-Man arrived and the heroes fought. During the fight Charlie snuck up on Spidey and (thinking she was Logan) he hit her with all his strength, killing her as she'd intended. pefore she died she promised to see Logan in the next life. Time Period: Cold War to X-Men Significant events: Spider-Man vs. Wolverine Romulus connection: None known.
Name: Lin (last mane unknown) a.k.a. "The Black Dragon" Relationship: Became Logan's girlfriend 50 years ago after he saved her from the original Black Dragon. She then became the new Black Dragon after logan refused the role and stabbed himin the eye and warned him never to return. 50 years later he returned, took over the Black Dragon tong and apologized to her. She stil hates him. Time Period: 50 years ago/present, Chinatown, San Fransisco, California. Significant events: Wolverine: Manifest Destiny #1-3 Romulus connection: None.
Name: Olga the lion tamer's assistant (last name unknown) Relationship: Preganant woman Logan cared about while working in a circus; died in childbirth. (Her son was not his). Time Period: 1930's, Greenland, Kansas Significant events: Wolverine The Amazing Immortal Man and other Bloody Tales Romulus connection: None.
Name: Katrina McCann Relationship: One-night stand, that ended in his getting beaten up by gangsters because she was Phil DeBlasio's girlfriend. Time Period: Coney Island 40 years ago. Significant events: Wolverine: Under the Boardwalk Romulus connection: None.
Name: Amber DeBlasio Relationship: One-night stand, that ended in his getting shot up by Amber's hired thugs because she was Phil DeBlasio's daughter. Time Period: X-Men, Atlantic City Significant events: Wolverine: Under the Boardwalk Romulus connection: None.
Name: A mermaid (yes I said mermaid) Relationship: She saved him from drowning near Fortaleza, Brazil. She seemed pretty affectionate, and may have had a human form (a Brazilian woman who gave Logan a mermaid pendant at a festival). Time Period: X-Men (Morrison period before Jean died) Significant events: Wolverine: Saudade Romulus connection: None.
Name: Annabel (probably fake) Relationship: Femme Fatale - Logan picked her up in a hotel bar. She screwed him, shot him up with a paralytic drug and turned him over to organ thieves (none of which was a surprise to him). Time Period: Sometime after Weapon X Significant events: Wolverine: Chop Shop Romulus connection: None.
Name: Dao Relationship: Femme Fatale - Burmese crimelord posing as a former prostitute grateful for his protection. She distracted Logan while her thugs killed a temple full of monks in Bangcock, Thailand. After Logan killed her goons he finished her too. Time Period: Sometime after Weapon X. Significant events: Wolverine: Dangerous Games. Romulus connection: None.
Name: Serra Relationship: "The path not taken" Wolverine was luired to the hidden Village of the Mandate, Himilayas, Tibet to breed with Serra, the Matriarch's daughter, so their children would have his healing factor. The plan didn't work, mostly because Tane wanted Serra for himself. Manipulated by Tane the Tribune's psychic powers, they didn't know if the feelings they began to develop for each other were real. After beating Tane, Logan left while Serra slept, leaving her a note telling her she knew where to find him, not sure if he was trying to protect her or if he was running away from what he felt. Time Period: X-Men Significant events: Wolverine: Killing Romulus connection: None.
Name: "Pink Lady" Relationship: This extradimensional and/or mystical pink woman is summoned to our dimension when a 13th century pink mink coat is exposed to oxigen. Her hair is made of pink smoke which transforms anyone exposed into a pink maniac. Wolverine and Doop were immune. After giving Logan some trouble (and a one night stand at an expensive hotel) before departing for parts unknown. Time Period: X-Men / X-Statix) Significant events: Wolverine/Doop #1-2 Romulus connection: None.
Name: Lynx Relationship: A young, completely feral woman born with no immune system and raised totally isolated from human contact as an experiment by "They" (whoever "they" are...). A second experiment using the Panacaea drug turned her body into an incubator for the cure to all known diseases. After rescuing her from a succession of captors (including SHIELD) Logan injected her with a false personality drug (once used on Black Widow to provide a covert identity) hoping to allow her to reintegrate with society. An unexpected consequence was Lynx (thinking she's "Nancy Rushman") believing she was Logan's lover. Logan felt guilty about submerging her true personality and discontinued the shots, allowing her to revert to her feral nature. After tracking "They" to their antaqrctic base and destroying it and all tehir data, Logan set her free in the wilderness. She still thinks she's Wolverine's "mate" and awaits his return. Time Period: X-Men Significant events: Marvel Comics Presents #123-130 Romulus connection: None.
Name: Kayla of Koma Kio Relationship: Well-meaning manipulator on the island of Koma Koi. A Priestess of the Temple of the Sun who was kidnapped by Cyber and taken to The Coven, who marked her for sacrifice (to bring on the Dark Age). Wolverine rescued her and they made love in her hut, thus transferring the sacrificial mark to him. When Cyber and the Coven attacked the Temple Wolverine defeated them as Kayla had hoped. Time Period: X-Men Significant events: Marvel Comics Presents #132-136 Romulus connection: None directly, but Cyber did attack her, whether of his own accord or under orders is speculative.
Name: Mai (last name unknown) Relationship: Rescued damsel. Mai worked in a Hong Kong hospital when a mutant monster, Black Shadow, killed her husband and son. She and other victims hunted Black Shadow and she met Logan when she hepled him escape from Hong kong police who mistook him for a looter. After she got captured by Black Shadow in an asylum Wolverine killed the monster, busted her out and stayed with her a couple days to make sure she was okay. Time Period: X-Men Significant events: Marvel Comics Presents #38-40 Romulus connection: None.
Name: Viktoria Suhkarov Relationship: Damsel in distress/pawn used against Logan. Years ago Logan tried to get a nuclear scientist named Dimitri Suhkarov and his young daughter out of Siberia. Dimitri was killed at the border by Volk, a KGB assassin, who let Viktoria and Logan go. She went on to become part of the Canadian Secret Service and Xavier's Underground. Years later Vik met Logan in New York to warn him Volk was coming to kill him. Volk later kidnapped her and took her back to Siberia to force Wolverine to fight him in his new gene-spliced werewolf form. Wolverine fought him until he transformed completely into a wolf. No longer human, Logan let him go. Figured he owed him. Viktoria was angry and swore to kill the wolf to avenge her father. Time Period: Spy days/X-Men Significant events: Wolverine '97 Annual Romulus connection: None specified, but who would be splicing human and wolf DNA in Russia to create a KGB assassin/werewolf who wouldn then try to use a woman Logan cared about to force him to fight?
Name: Caley Blair Relationship: A curator at the Museum of Cultural history who was impressed by his knowledge of ancient Japan. Wolverine dated her for about 8 weeks until she died. They definitely slept together and Wolverine told her she was something special. Then she was killed by the death-aura of a Morlock released from a crio-chamber at a subway arcehological excavation. Time Period: X-Men Significant events: Wolverine/Punnisher: Revelation #1-3 Romulus connection: None
Obviously there are more women in Logan's life who's relationship could be characterized as attraction (at least on one or the other's part if not mutually) at one point or another. I think we'll need to at least include: Rose (last name unrevealed, Irish immigrant) Silver Fox Seraph Itsu Viper "Cracklin' Rosa" Heather (McNeil) Hudson Narya (Snowbird) Carol Danvers (Ms. Marvel) Neena Thurmon (Domino) Jean Grey-Summers (Phoenix) Ororo Munroe (Storm) Mariko Yashida Anna Raven (Rogue) Yukio Katherine Pryde (Shadowcat) Tyger Tiger (Jessan Hoan) Jubilation Lee (Jubilee/Wondra) Elektra Natchios
... but since I'm dyslexic, and reading and writing and re-writing so what I write makes any damn sense - makes my brain hurt! - I can't look up all the major references on all of them all by myself. I mean, sure, re-reading 35 years worth of back-issues is fun, but it took me 35 years the first time! So if this is gonna' get finished in my lifetime I can't do it all myself.
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 9, 2010 21:57:51 GMT -5
And don't forget Marry, the one with the 3 different personalities her last one was Bloody Marry because she fell in love with Wolverine. The same marry that was or is Tyfoid (sp) marry. Logan tried to get "Marry " back but he lost her to Tyfloid Marry.
And Black Cat in the 3 part stoy, she didn't like him at first, but there were hints that later she did and then some
LOL Looking at this list, It's really amazing if you think about it if Logan was a real person. I mean He isn't the plesent guy, not a pretty guy, and hairy and short. All the things that saposaly (sp) turn wemon off. yet he gets MORE wemon than ANY other Superhero in any of the comics. Now, as time has gone by, We srtart to see why, Because he has a heart of gold, he's tough as nails and kicks A s s... and NOW because they are drawing him much more handsome then at first. Speaking as a female fan, one of the biggest attractions of Wolverine sexually to women is his haert, who he is. That has over ridden all the other stuff that is sapose to turn us off. No one that I know who is a fan cares that he is only 5 foot 3 and hairy, they all love him. His animal side only makes him even more sexy. Hense the Logan we have now!. Sense alot more woman have been digging him, he's gotten a lot of attention and tail!
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 9, 2010 22:22:49 GMT -5
Just to add Dazzler NO he never slept with her, she accused him of doing that while her body was in the controle of some alian who wanted him. Even after he told her he would NEVER do that, she still didn;t beleve him. Which is the main reason I can;t stand Dazzler, blaucky!
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 10, 2010 8:39:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't include Alison Blaire because she and Logan really weren't close. He didn't even like her singing in Wolverine: First Class. But I think I remember the incident you're referring to: Uncanny X-Men Annual #13 (1989) I think. Back in Australia. Dazzler's body was switched with one of the members of the Serpent Society (was it Diamondback?) and flirting with Logan (who still wasn't intersted even if the disco queen wasn't in the body at the time). Makes it hard to clasify that one. Kind'a like when Rogue's "Carol Danvers" personality acted differently towards Logan than her real presonality - is that Rogue or Carol?
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 10, 2010 11:34:36 GMT -5
I believe it was carole. As far as I know Logan And carole were closes ebough to hook up in this way, Rogue, he never liked her till years latter and even if he wanted her... how in the world was this going to happen anyway back then.
I have that story of Dazzler in both Spanish and English. She's an ego jerk . To me, if he said he Would NEVER to that, then that should have been good enough. Logan as proven time and time again he IS a man of his word and served the team well at great risk to himself. But all SHE could deal with was he's a man, so he MUST have, after all he's a playboy and can't controle himself. I just don't dig that type of girl at all. After that I just really disliked her and was GLAD when she was gone.
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 10, 2010 13:28:16 GMT -5
With Rogue (the real Rogue not the Carol in her head) the closest thing to a romantic spark really came very early on - shortly after she joined the X-Men - and it was one-sided and very brief. The X-Men really didn't trust Rogue back then because she had been with Mystique's Brotherhood. But Logan - he about wanted to kill her for stealing all Carol's memories and leaving her with amnesia. The two of them had to go after Viper and Silver Samurai because the rest of the X-Men had been poisoned and they were immune.
And you're right, it couldn't work back then since she's only just recently able to touch people. And she was only 17. And he was in love with Mariko. She vaguely mentioned it again to Gambit in that "Wolverine Appreciation Issue" (X-Men Unlimited #25 ?)where they've all discovered that the dead Wolverine is a Skrull impostor.
'Course there was that one time when she dreamed she sucked his memories out and said "you never told me you had a son." That was a little strange.
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 10, 2010 20:05:31 GMT -5
thaT I freaky but sometimes when people get close they do have dreams that turn out true, so it isn't really so weird. I myself am not a big Rogue fan, I don't see him with her at all in any way. I don't dislike her alot, I just don't care for her.
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