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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 10, 2010 20:22:23 GMT -5
I have been wondering about what kind of effect this new love Logan on him. Do you think it is going to change his personality too much? I fear maybe it might. Like I can agree the skirt chasing will now stop. Because Logan only did that because he needed anyway now he has a girl and doesn't need that anymore. I see him as a loyal guy if the girl is, and she seems to be. But I don't see him giving up his cigars, moter bikes, drinking, bar fights, all the thing that he likes to do. I see him curbing that a bit but unless a child comes into the seen there is no real reason to change him all the way too much. He should still be him. right? And what about the things this girl DOESN'T know, like Daken, Romulus, She says she knows what to do and is ready?? HOW? Unless she has a carbin based weapon, and knows how to use it...well. She aint going to beat those guys as a simple human who knows Kun Fu and is a reporter. Logan is going to have to teach her and tell her alot more stuff. And how is she going to handle his Killing? Will he now have to change to suit her, to stay in this realtionship? Or will she accept him as he is and be open to learning all she can to stay independent, and they grow together? what do you think?
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 11, 2010 18:31:35 GMT -5
It'll effect him, change him in some ways , but Marvel has to balance making the relationship meaningful and real with keeping Wolverine popular. If she pulls his sales down, she's dead. But he won't change too much for two reaSONS: 1) Marvel would hesitate to risk it, and 2) there's only so many new tricks you can teach an old dog, especially an alpha dog like Wolverine. Jubilee was the only one onto this in Wolverine: Weapon X #10 - it's not just about "what if she dies like the rest?" The real question is: "what if she doesn't?" This is the biggest change in Logan's life since he got his memory back. This is more immediately significant than anything between him and Mariko (despite the epic love story that was Claremont's Wolverine, vol. 1). It's not a long distance relationship. Melita has no obligation to her clan that limits her freedom to choose or act.
Logan has only has two relationships (common-law marriages really) similar to this: Silver Fox and Itsu - and both were murdered by Romulus' decree. With Wolverine: Origins ending this year it's a fair bet Logan and Melita won't have to worry about him. Daken remaind a concern, but so far he hasn't killed anyone his father loved just to hurt him, so he'd at least have to have something more to gain by it. That doesn't mean Logan won't always be watching out for every other enemy he has coming after Melita. The closest other analogy I can think of in Marvel comics is Spider-Man and Mary Jane. Except Melita is more independent and mature than MJ. And this "Spidey" is four or five times her age, a lot more paranoid/protective, and - oh yeah - he kills his enemies. Hurting the ones he loves is a real bad way to commit suicide. Just ask Matsu'o.
So yes, Melita will be in danger and she's no match for Wolverine's enemies in combat. There will be close calls and times when Wolverine will have to save her life. So the real question is whether they're both brave enough to stay together after it happens a few times. She could get some real PTSD living with him. It's going to be a real test of her strength. And it'll be a test for Logan to make sure she has a relationship that's worth it.
Given how they first met, I'd say she handled it pretty well.
Yes. He'll have to be brave enough not to run away and end the relationship to protect her life (and his heart). He'll have to be brave enough not to shut her out of what's happening in his life, or what he did, no matter how bad. He'll have to risk losing her and being rejected by her (just like anyone else in the world) to keep them together. That's a kind of courage that Logan's rarely had to show. It's all new territory to explore with him, and Jason Aaron broke that ground.. And Aaron wants to take advantage of it. So far he's written excellent Wolverine stories and I don't see any reason why Marvel would want to mess with that.
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 12, 2010 3:39:48 GMT -5
sounds like fantastic hope for wonderful story telling. xoxoxoxox you've set my mind in a possitive direction  cool. One last question... do you think she will be strong enough to with stand a famus Logan fit! LOL His fowl temper! LOL He has a bad temper and my guess is he's only going to take so much from her before he blows up. My guess also is it will take a LOT but she sounds like she could have that very strong independent streak that could shoot off her mouth just the wrong way at the qwrong time and poof he goes off or snaps at her. does she seems stong enough to with stand that and move forward...what do you think? |
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 12, 2010 11:13:07 GMT -5
First off, if I understand your question correctly, it sounds like you're descrining a scenario I just don't see happening:
1) Melita says something that strikes a nerve with Logan;
2) logan fires back with something angry, true, and hurtful, and 3) Melita either fires back (and a fight ensues) or withdraws, feeling hurt.
I don't see it playing out that way because I don't see any precedent for this in his relationships with the women he loved before. When did he ever blow-up at Itsu, Silver Fox or Mariko? As long as what she says is fair and honest he won't be angry at her (look at the stuff Jubilee has gotten away with telling him). If he can't deal with the truth he just withdraws. He doesn't fire back or ramp up the fight - he quits. Then he goes out to a bar, tries to drink enough to feel it, gets in a fight, works past his anger, deals with what she said, and goes home. The problem will come from his withdrawl from communication, not from angry engagement in heated argument. She's a reporter - she wants a response, not "no comment." I think Logan's withdrawl will be more of a problem than his temper.
Melita's strength will be tested by at least two aspects of their relationship: the added stress it will put on her when his enemies mess with her life, and the constant effort to get Logan to open up to her and stay that way. I think that because she's a reporter she equates intimacy with honesty and information - the more she knows about Logan (his present activities more than his past), the closer she feels. And as private and guarded as Logan has always been, Melita will have to fight for every detail. And for the most part she won't mind because the struggle makes her victory more meanigful: where there's no resistance, there no impression (you can't write your name on water). I think she's strong enough to be the pursuer most of the time because that's what she does and that's what she likes. That's exactly what makes her a good match for Logan - she can care for him the way he needs to be cared for (and that's not easy).
The critical test of their relationship won't come from any of Logan's enemies. It'll come from the woman Logan never mentioned to Melita. The real test comes when Jean Grey returns.
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 12, 2010 14:35:53 GMT -5
yes i agreer with all that
What I meant by temper is that I think it is very possible because of her pushing to open him up that there are going to be times where he will have enough of that. mainly because it it all new to him and he may not know how to deal emotionally. the two other woman you mention are Japaneses women. Women in that culture do NOT push the men in this way, so no he had never blown up with them they would NEVER have given him a reason to, but this girl will even if she doesn't mean to. His lack of ability to deal with it will come out in some way or another. As the relationship gets older and stronger, it will come out and she will have to deal with that. it takes 2 to 3 years for people to feel that confatable to let the true self out all the way. I know. I am in a relationship with a guy very much like Logan in every way, I am a lot like Melita, and he pops off when he feels unable to answer a question or deal with an emotion he his forced to face even when I don't mean to do it, he can go off like a rocket. It's true what they say, it IS the quit one you have to worry about the most. Trust me, she stays with him long enough that temper will com out.
As for what Jubs gets away with, that is different, he isn't in a sexual relationship with her, his closeness to her is different than to a woman he is in love with and spends a much closer time with. People treat their friends different than their loved ones. it makes a BIG difference when you live with a person and are so close that that person is a part of you.
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Post by weaponx23 on Feb 16, 2010 11:29:43 GMT -5
I think Logan's new love for Melita will change Wolverine in good terms. I mean unlike the other love interest of Wolverine, she is more prepared for anything dangerous she is going to be involved with Wolverine. She is a reporter and knew kung-fu. She is also seems to be the best support of Wolverine when he needs help fighting his enemies like in first series of Wolverine Weapon X.
That issue 10# was made for a reason for Wolverine thinking about Melita and worried about how she may end up like his late loves. That was the biggest development for Wolverine and Melita in one chapter. If you think about Melita and Wolverine will be like Spider Man and Mary Jane. Melita however is a brave and tough gal for Wolverine.
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 16, 2010 19:56:16 GMT -5
If she is going to be with him, she BETTER be TOUGH, But I do NOT see in a realistic level how being a reporter and knowing some kun fu alone is going to get her over and hang in his world next to him. She is not going to be a good kick ass fighting partner against his top enemies, that is not even possible. BUT I can see her being a fantastic support partner and lover, I can see her risking herself to save him and doing it! But as a fighting partner, I doubt that highly. However... she CAN learn, that's what I think will happen. she'll hang in there by the skin of her teeth, and Logan will step in and teach her some tricks or two, and she has the mind set to apply it all, bla bla. If she learns things like tracking, hunting, hiding, sneak attacks, she could take her kun fu to a more realistic level.BOTTOM line just because one is a Kun Fu artist in the DO JO and damn good at it, does NOT mean they can kick ass in the streets. That's a fact. My husband know over 4 types of fighting arts, and at one time he was extremely fast, he walked into more than one Do JO and at the time was only a brown belt on paper, yet he beat the mess out of their black belts! This is not uncommon. training and being able to use it, are two different things. Plus too, it's all in how you think, what you CAN do, is also different from what you WILL do. I guess my point is, she has a lot of proving to do before I think she can be an asset to Logan. However, I like her, and want her to be! |
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Post by weaponx23 on Feb 17, 2010 9:29:29 GMT -5
If she is going to be with him, she BETTER be TOUGH, But I do NOT see in a realistic level how being a reporter and knowing some kun fu alone is going to get her over and hang in his world next to him. She is not going to be a good kick ass fighting partner against his top enemies, that is not even possible. BUT I can see her being a fantastic support partner and lover, I can see her risking herself to save him and doing it! But as a fighting partner, I doubt that highly. However... she CAN learn, that's what I think will happen. she'll hang in there by the skin of her teeth, and Logan will step in and teach her some tricks or two, and she has the mind set to apply it all, bla bla. If she learns things like tracking, hunting, hiding, sneak attacks, she could take her kun fu to a more realistic level.BOTTOM line just because one is a Kun Fu artist in the DO JO and damn good at it, does NOT mean they can kick ass in the streets. That's a fact. My husband know over 4 types of fighting arts, and at one time he was extremely fast, he walked into more than one Do JO and at the time was only a brown belt on paper, yet he beat the mess out of their black belts! This is not uncommon. training and being able to use it, are two different things. Plus too, it's all in how you think, what you CAN do, is also different from what you WILL do. I guess my point is, she has a lot of proving to do before I think she can be an asset to Logan. However, I like her, and want her to be! Agreed, Melita training at a Dojo seems to be a beginning of her progress. She not even afraid of carrying a gun in her apartment When she came home, she was aware that someone is in her aparment, she defended herself good and was on her to pick up the gun before Maverick came and helped her. It is possible that Logan might teach her a trick or two. Melita first appearance gave a good impression of the fans. She wasn't even afraid of gun pointing at by some crooks, even though she gave them her stuff, she wouldn't allow to give them her cell phone that contains all her reports. She wasn't even terrified of Wolverine's violence against the crooks. I mean she didn't just like scream and ran away from all of that what Logan has done. Instead she went to Logan asked for an interview. And was angry for Logan blow her off from asking her questions. She already is a tough gal, if you ask me. |
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 17, 2010 11:59:11 GMT -5
You lead an interesting life, DRT - just make sure these two guys never find out about each other! ;D
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 18, 2010 0:52:11 GMT -5
LOLOLOL I know huh! LOL!
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 18, 2010 0:59:02 GMT -5
If she is going to be with him, she BETTER be TOUGH, But I do NOT see in a realistic level how being a reporter and knowing some kun fu alone is going to get her over and hang in his world next to him. She is not going to be a good kick ass fighting partner against his top enemies, that is not even possible. BUT I can see her being a fantastic support partner and lover, I can see her risking herself to save him and doing it! But as a fighting partner, I doubt that highly. However... she CAN learn, that's what I think will happen. she'll hang in there by the skin of her teeth, and Logan will step in and teach her some tricks or two, and she has the mind set to apply it all, bla bla. If she learns things like tracking, hunting, hiding, sneak attacks, she could take her kun fu to a more realistic level.BOTTOM line just because one is a Kun Fu artist in the DO JO and damn good at it, does NOT mean they can kick ass in the streets. That's a fact. My husband know over 4 types of fighting arts, and at one time he was extremely fast, he walked into more than one Do JO and at the time was only a brown belt on paper, yet he beat the mess out of their black belts! This is not uncommon. training and being able to use it, are two different things. Plus too, it's all in how you think, what you CAN do, is also different from what you WILL do. I guess my point is, she has a lot of proving to do before I think she can be an asset to Logan. However, I like her, and want her to be! Agreed, Melita training at a Dojo seems to be a beginning of her progress. She not even afraid of carrying a gun in her apartment When she came home, she was aware that someone is in her aparment, she defended herself good and was on her to pick up the gun before Maverick came and helped her. It is possible that Logan might teach her a trick or two. Melita first appearance gave a good impression of the fans. She wasn't even afraid of gun pointing at by some crooks, even though she gave them her stuff, she wouldn't allow to give them her cell phone that contains all her reports. She wasn't even terrified of Wolverine's violence against the crooks. I mean she didn't just like scream and ran away from all of that what Logan has done. Instead she went to Logan asked for an interview. And was angry for Logan blow her off from asking her questions. She already is a tough gal, if you ask me. I see your point but being tough with being aable to handle things in your face and keep a cool head is cool and all, but that doesn't make her a tough gal in the way of being able to help Logan with out being part of the problem. See I am a tough gall too, honest, but I can't go and fight off someone with a gun just because of it. Point is Logan is not a normal life kind of guy, She is just a human, his problems go WAY beyound what she is able to do. So she HAS to learn things he knows just to hang.... I think we can all agree with that. It will be fun to see just what she will do to get there! |
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Post by weaponx23 on Feb 18, 2010 11:35:43 GMT -5
I see your point but being tough with being aable to handle things in your face and keep a cool head is cool and all, but that doesn't make her a tough gal in the way of being able to help Logan with out being part of the problem. See I am a tough gall too, honest, but I can't go and fight off someone with a gun just because of it. Point is Logan is not a normal life kind of guy, She is just a human, his problems go WAY beyound what she is able to do. So she HAS to learn things he knows just to hang.... I think we can all agree with that. It will be fun to see just what she will do to get there! Yeah, I know Logan doesn't have a normal life like Melita did. But your right that she is going to learn to accept the ways of Wolverine's life and she already knows what she going into. Granted that she has to learn lots of things what do with it. She is a REPORTER after all. She still made a good impression from her first appearance better. |
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 18, 2010 15:07:37 GMT -5
lol sorry I really don't see the big deal in being a reporter at all. I don't see how that helps her in any way. A lot of people can dig things up and be connected to information bla bla you don't have to be a reporter to be with a guy like Logan or to even dig up information on him if you know where to look. Logan had a gal after him a while back who was FBI, so what big deal. , not saying it won't help her that she is a reporter, but it sure won't be the deciding factor that gets her over or keeps her safe, that's for dang sure.
She'll have to use her wits and will power and what fighting she knows to tackle those issues, I believe it IS very possible that she will. After all if she knows a few tricks, learns more and has the will power and strenth she can sstick it out. I know alot of people who are not as good fighters as some yet they can and do beat them, Even Wolverine himself at times runs into people that are WAY stronger than him, yet he beats them, alot of that is about how you think and use what you DO know. She could do it.
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Post by weaponx23 on Feb 19, 2010 7:35:50 GMT -5
Yeah, but in Issue 10# she seems to have so much confidence with herself and already prepared herself. She will have her wits, will power and be more prepared for all the odds thats coming to her. Your right about that even though they are people that are stronger than Wolverine yet he beats them. Melita may not be a good fighter as Black Widow, but she will manage to beat them.
We've only read 10 issues, who knows. I wonder how good she is now when she's faces Mystique.
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 19, 2010 9:37:50 GMT -5
Given that this is Mystique we're talking about...
Who says she'll face Melita as herself?
Who says she'll be there to test Melita's kung fu skills?
Having to deal with Wolverine's enemies doesn't always mean violence. Revenge doesn't always include bloodshed. And killing every woman Logan gets close to as a means to manipulating him? That's such linear (masculine) thinking...
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cool. 
