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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 19, 2010 12:45:09 GMT -5
Given that this is Mystique we're talking about... Who says she'll face Melita as herself?Who says she'll be there to test Melita's kung fu skills? Having to deal with Wolverine's enemies doesn't always mean violence. Revenge doesn't always include bloodshed. And killing every woman Logan gets close to as a means to manipulating him? That's such linear (masculine) thinking... Yes I agree, in fact I some what doubt her Ku Fu skills would be a match against ANY of them, period. If it did boil down to a "fight" like you say bro, most likey, it is not going to be the kind of thing with her getting into it psyicially. Correct me if I am wrong but why would Mystique be interested in Malita's intrest in Wolverine in the first place? Is she jelouse? (sp) I mean, what's it to her anyway? And another thing How on earth will Malita 'Know" what she is up against in the first place when MOST of the people who would come after her are FAR from public record! Or any other record for that matter. No, in my veiw, she's going to have to "fight" them with her wits, and most of the so called fight are going to be HER seeing Logan get it so to speak. Can SHE hang? Will she beable to still love him when she sees what he REALLY is.? Things like that. Mystique being her first possible challenge, is a good indication on what kind of sneakyness Malita is going to have to out smart. in my view. |
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 19, 2010 14:34:37 GMT -5
I think one of the reasons Mystique is one of my favorite characters is that I can't figure her out. It's often possible to learn what she's up to, but why is more enigmatic. Her deeper - more consistent - motivations are a mystery. It's not even clear if she understands them.
She's survived a century by deceiving people and using them, but she's not a total sociopath. It's pretty clear she really loved Irene Adler, and she seems to want Rogue to love her as a mother. But beyond that her true feelings are so guarded and ambiguous that it's all guessing. And you mostly can't trust what she says.
Does she love Logan? Hate him? Both? Does she have any strong feelings one way or another? All we have are clues. Two of the biggest are the "Get Mystique" arc and the House of M.
"Get Mystique" shows the beginning of their relationship in which he betrayed her. We'll never know if she would have done the same to him. But we do know that they've known each other longer than pretty much anybody left in either of their lives. It also showed their last big fight where Cyclops sent Wolverine to hunt her down - and he doesn't kill her.
For most people the House of M never happened, but for a few - including Logan and Raven - it's a memory of another life (that didn't happen even though they remember it). Besides putting mutants in the majority, and in control of the world, Wanda's magic granted a few characters their fondest wish. The big changes for Wolverine and Mystique were: 1) he had all his real memories; 2) they were romantically involved; and 3) they were both agents of what passed for SHIELD. Now we know which one of those things Logan wanted most, but were either of those other two things influenced by what Mystique really wants?
One of the great things about Mystique is that she's this unpredictible. I'd say it's equally possible that Mystique's interest in Melita is revenge, or jealousy, or profit, or advantage. Or any combination of these. And it's not about Melita.
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 19, 2010 14:55:15 GMT -5
yep I'd a gree and I think her motives are a combination of all the things mentioned
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Post by weaponx23 on Feb 19, 2010 16:07:12 GMT -5
Given that this is Mystique we're talking about... Who says she'll face Melita as herself?Who says she'll be there to test Melita's kung fu skills? Having to deal with Wolverine's enemies doesn't always mean violence. Revenge doesn't always include bloodshed. And killing every woman Logan gets close to as a means to manipulating him? That's such linear (masculine) thinking... Yes I agree, in fact I some what doubt her Ku Fu skills would be a match against ANY of them, period. If it did boil down to a "fight" like you say bro, most likey, it is not going to be the kind of thing with her getting into it psyicially. Correct me if I am wrong but why would Mystique be interested in Malita's intrest in Wolverine in the first place? Is she jelouse? (sp) I mean, what's it to her anyway? And another thing How on earth will Malita 'Know" what she is up against in the first place when MOST of the people who would come after her are FAR from public record! Or any other record for that matter. No, in my veiw, she's going to have to "fight" them with her wits, and most of the so called fight are going to be HER seeing Logan get it so to speak. Can SHE hang? Will she beable to still love him when she sees what he REALLY is.? Things like that. Mystique being her first possible challenge, is a good indication on what kind of sneakyness Malita is going to have to out smart. in my view. I do thought about Melita using her wits for battle Logan's enemies and outsmart them. I do think putting Mystique will put Melita up to the challenge for Logans enemies. With her as a reporter she might figure out Logans enemies weakness and use her wits to do it. |
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 19, 2010 18:29:41 GMT -5
you don't need to be a reporter to be able to figure out a person's weaknesses, Logan can do that with his eyes closed, that's how he beats the people who are stronger than him. it's a nack, a talent so to speak  |
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 19, 2010 19:14:40 GMT -5
But you do need Logan's enhanced senses to know Mystique when she looks like someone else.
Melita might be careful enough or tough enough to evade some giant, indestructible psychopath who wants to eat her heart. She might be brave enough to go into a realtionship knowing she might get killed being around Wolverine. I don't think there's anything that can prepare her for the kind of things Mystique can do to her - all to get to Wolverine indirectly. Mystique can be her source, her boss, Logan - even her! That kind of stress will really test their relationship.
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Post by Glutton/Weapon X-26 on Feb 19, 2010 22:02:30 GMT -5
I hope the relationship doesn't change Logan.
I hope it's over soon.
However, I hope Wolverine doesn't have to kill her to prevent her suffering some slow, painful death (i.e., poisoning). Also, I hope none of Wolverine's enemies kills her.
I hope they do something off the wall, like, she has an actual accident. (Steps off a curb and hit by a bus. Car crash. Sparring practice slip. A disease there is no cure for. Etc., etc.)
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 19, 2010 22:05:10 GMT -5
But you do need Logan's enhanced senses to know Mystique when she looks like someone else. Melita might be careful enough or tough enough to evade some giant, indestructible psychopath who wants to eat her heart. She might be brave enough to go into a realtionship knowing she might get killed being around Wolverine. I don't think there's anything that can prepare her for the kind of things Mystique can do to her - all to get to Wolverine indirectly. Mystique can be her source, her boss, Logan - even her! That kind of stress will really test their relationship. OMG i forgot about THAT LOL Malita could end up errrrrr a little Girl on Girl action thinking she was with LOGAN. Holy crap! THAT would piss the HEll out of me to be fooled that way... dang... the possibilities are ENDLESS. ;D could be some good story telling here.... How would she ever get her back for that humiliation. Remember that time Logan was fooled into thinking that alien guy was Electra! omg ewwwwwwwwww. |
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 23, 2010 9:14:01 GMT -5
Oh, Mystique doesn't even need to reveal herself as a woman.
She could become "physically abusive Logan." Or she could just let Melita catch "Logan" with other women (or men, or chickens, or whatever) over and over. The real Logan's denials would get pretty tired after a while. Or Raven (in Logan's form) might do something like this... after a passionate night together "Logan" turns to Melita and says "Ya' know what babe? Nightcrawler is a better lay than you. We're done! Oh, an' by the way, I left the webcam on all night. That ought'ta go viral by this afternoon, so congratulations, yer' an internet celebrity."
I re-read "Get Mystique" last night. Now the more I think about it the more I get the feeling that Jason Aaron has something more in mind for Logan and Mystique (I forgot Aaron wrote that arc). In Wolverine: Weapon X #10 we learned about Logan's first time - in California, shortly after he came outta' the woods (after Rose died) with a girl who he didn't know from Sonora, Mexico. In Wolverine #62 we learned that Logan first met Mystique in 1921 in the Sonora Desert in Mexico. In Wolverine #65 Logan figures out that their meeting was no accident - Mystique arranged it somehow. Why did Logan visit Sonora after WWI? Was he looking for the girl he met years earlier in California? More importantly, did he find her without realizing it?
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 23, 2010 13:34:08 GMT -5
LOLOLOLOL That's great lol I think Logan knows her sent well by now and would figure it out if that was the girl or not by now... but the whole trouble she can cause with Melita WOW what a mess and with Logan's rep with woman due to always being on the run and can't get tied down for fear they would be killed, well the reasons would mean very little if Melita REALLY thought she KNEW it was him she was with but her In reality, or HIM in her bed saying all those terrible things LOL SEE THAT is the kind of fight I believe she will really have to do, and she BETTER be really sure she really loves him or she will have a very hard time dealing with him because of things like that more so than things like getting beat up.
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 23, 2010 13:36:38 GMT -5
PS Yeah and it would be WISE of Logan to warn Malita about this AND have a safety word that only he and she would know.
Raven will have to be good in the sack as Logan to really fool Melita in the sac LOLOL i figure she has slept with him enough to know his behavior in that area, but would she really be able to pull it off.
I mean think about it, even if she as a man has a personal part, would it work as a man?? I mean after all she is a she, tho she can take the form... would it really work like a real man??
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Post by Megalictis on Feb 23, 2010 17:38:09 GMT -5
I can't think of a single example to prove it, but I suspect Mystique can function sexually as a man (thought it'd be tricky to re-arrange everything internally to - without getting too graphic - "make it convincing") with one exception - she can't get another woman pregnant. She can't produce sperm because genetically she's still female.
Oddly enough, Claremont originally intended to reveal that Mystique was actually Nightcrawler's father! I suspect that idea was scrapped because back then Marvel was very "on the down-low" about Mystique even being bisexual. Consequently the idea that she could be a fully functional hermaphrodite was probably considered too "racy."
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Post by deepredtiger on Feb 23, 2010 19:00:20 GMT -5
PERFECT makes total sense! thanks |
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